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Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
Je suis en train d'envisager l'acquisition d'une S&B.
Avant cela j'aurai aimé le retour des utilisateurs à propos des differents models ci dessous.
Je me demande tout d'abord quel gossissement choisir? 3–12, 4–16 ou 5-25?
Le reticule lumineux est il indispensable?
Elevation: 1 tour ou 2 tours?
Pour le reste, je pense opter pour le réticule P4 fin, les clicks en cm.
Merci de vos retours
http://www.schmidtbender.com/scopes_policemarksman.shtml
3–12 x 50 PM II
One of our most versatile scopes, allowing precise shot placement to 1000 meters yet still presenting an exceptionally wide field of view at low power. An outstanding performer in poor light. Available with parallax adjustment or with parallax adjustment and illuminated reticles.
Two elevation/windage options are offered; Option One has one-centimeter click values with an elevation range of 220cm at 100m. Option Two is our "double turn" elevation knob with increments of 1/4MOA per click. Elevation range is 56MOA at 100m. Windage is also 1/4MOA per click, with a total adjustment of ±14MOA. Offered with P1 or P3 rangefinding reticles. Specifications
3–12 x 50 PM II LP
Combines parallax compensation, illuminated reticle control and 1/4MOA or centimeter clicks, resulting in one of the most sophisticated, complete scopes ever built. There are two elevation adjustment options: Option One is calibrated to 0.1 Mil click values. Option Two is calibrated in 1/4MOA click values. Color-coded window indicators graphically illustrate the reticle's position within the overall adjustment travel, preventing the shooter from becoming "lost" within the adjustment range. The entire adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the elevation knob, while the entire 3-12x magnification range is covered in just one-half turn (180 degrees).
Parallax adjustment is located in its own separate turret, as are the illuminated reticle controls. The reticle brightness is fully adjustable with 11 graduated settings allowing precise selection relative to ambient light. As with all Schmidt & Bender illuminated reticles, it turns off between settings saving battery power and allowing you to easily return to a pre-selected illumination level. Available with the P3, P4, or P4 Fine reticles. Specifications
3–12 x 50 PM II Military
The scope chosen by the United States Marine Corps as standard equipment Scout Sniper Day Scopes. It includes all the features of the 3–12 x 50 PM II LP, plus a sepcially designed "double-turn" counter-clockwise elevation knob with tactile clicks every 10cm or 1 Mil. In place of the color-coded window, it has a ring-style indicator which raises after the first full rotation of the knob. This can be both seen and felt by the operator, giving clear indication of which scale to read on the turret. There is a total of 220cm/22Mils/79.2" of elevation adjustment. Specifications
4–16 x 50 PM II
A wide magnification range provides exceptional versatility from close range shots to distances beyond 1000 meters. A 50mm objective lens provides outstanding performance even under the poorest light
conditions. Available in two configurations; parallax adjustment only and parallax and illuminated reticle adjustment both.
The 4-16 x 50 is offered with our “double turn” elevation
knob with 1/4 MOA clicks and an adjustment range of 56 MOA. The entire 56-minute adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the elevation knob, while the ial window graphically illustrates the adjustment position within the overall range. Windage increments are also 1/4 MOA per click, the total adjustment range ±14 MOA. Offered with P1 or P3 reticles. Specifications
4–16 x 42 PM II LP
Built at the request of the U.S. military to provide a long-range capable scope with a smaller objective diameter. Includes illuminated reticle and parallax adjustment, each controlled by a separate turret. It is equipped with a special Gen 2 XL reticle with illuminated dots and cetner crosshair.
There are two elevation adjustment options: Option One is a single-turn, counter-clockwise turret with 0.1 Mil click values and 13 MRad/130cm/46.8" of adjustment. Option Two is a double-turn clockwise turret with 1/4 MOA click values and 56 MOA total adjustment, plus our color-coded window indicators which graphically illustrate the reticle's position within the overall adjustment travel. This prevents the shooter from becoming "lost" within the adjustment range. Complete illuminated reticle control is standard. Offered with P3 or P4 Fine reticles. Specifications
4–16 x 50 PM II LP
The popular 4–16 x 50 in an illuminated reticle LP model. As with all our LP series scopes, an illuminated reticle and parallax adjustment are standard, each controlled by a separate turret. Our LP system features a color-coded elevation knob that gives the shooter instant reference as to where the elevation is set. Just one turn of the knob provides 28 minutes of elevation. A window within the dial then changes to yellow, and one additional turn provides an additional 28 minutes of adjustment. The entire 56-minute adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the elevation knob. Click values are 1/4 MOA. P3 or P4 Fine reticles available. Specifications
5-25 x 56 Police Marksman II LP
True 2000-meter capability. Unlike most long-range variables that offer only a 4x magnification multiple, the 5-25 x 56 provides a full 5x and a wider field of view. Parallax adjustment in a separate turret, completely adjustable from 10 meters to infinity.
The illuminated reticle has 11 graduated settings offering precise control relative to ambient light. The scope includes Schmidt & Bender's unique color-coded "Double Turn" elevation knob that gives the shooter instant reference to where the elevation is set. The entire 100-minute adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the knob. The user will never become "lost" within the adjustment range.
The 5–25 x 56 is offered with 56 MOA of 1/4 MOA clicks, or 273cm (93 MOA) of 1cm clicks. Your choice of P3 or P4 reticles. Specifications
Avant cela j'aurai aimé le retour des utilisateurs à propos des differents models ci dessous.
Je me demande tout d'abord quel gossissement choisir? 3–12, 4–16 ou 5-25?
Le reticule lumineux est il indispensable?
Elevation: 1 tour ou 2 tours?
Pour le reste, je pense opter pour le réticule P4 fin, les clicks en cm.
Merci de vos retours
http://www.schmidtbender.com/scopes_policemarksman.shtml
3–12 x 50 PM II
One of our most versatile scopes, allowing precise shot placement to 1000 meters yet still presenting an exceptionally wide field of view at low power. An outstanding performer in poor light. Available with parallax adjustment or with parallax adjustment and illuminated reticles.
Two elevation/windage options are offered; Option One has one-centimeter click values with an elevation range of 220cm at 100m. Option Two is our "double turn" elevation knob with increments of 1/4MOA per click. Elevation range is 56MOA at 100m. Windage is also 1/4MOA per click, with a total adjustment of ±14MOA. Offered with P1 or P3 rangefinding reticles. Specifications
3–12 x 50 PM II LP
Combines parallax compensation, illuminated reticle control and 1/4MOA or centimeter clicks, resulting in one of the most sophisticated, complete scopes ever built. There are two elevation adjustment options: Option One is calibrated to 0.1 Mil click values. Option Two is calibrated in 1/4MOA click values. Color-coded window indicators graphically illustrate the reticle's position within the overall adjustment travel, preventing the shooter from becoming "lost" within the adjustment range. The entire adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the elevation knob, while the entire 3-12x magnification range is covered in just one-half turn (180 degrees).
Parallax adjustment is located in its own separate turret, as are the illuminated reticle controls. The reticle brightness is fully adjustable with 11 graduated settings allowing precise selection relative to ambient light. As with all Schmidt & Bender illuminated reticles, it turns off between settings saving battery power and allowing you to easily return to a pre-selected illumination level. Available with the P3, P4, or P4 Fine reticles. Specifications
3–12 x 50 PM II Military
The scope chosen by the United States Marine Corps as standard equipment Scout Sniper Day Scopes. It includes all the features of the 3–12 x 50 PM II LP, plus a sepcially designed "double-turn" counter-clockwise elevation knob with tactile clicks every 10cm or 1 Mil. In place of the color-coded window, it has a ring-style indicator which raises after the first full rotation of the knob. This can be both seen and felt by the operator, giving clear indication of which scale to read on the turret. There is a total of 220cm/22Mils/79.2" of elevation adjustment. Specifications
4–16 x 50 PM II
A wide magnification range provides exceptional versatility from close range shots to distances beyond 1000 meters. A 50mm objective lens provides outstanding performance even under the poorest light
conditions. Available in two configurations; parallax adjustment only and parallax and illuminated reticle adjustment both.
The 4-16 x 50 is offered with our “double turn” elevation
knob with 1/4 MOA clicks and an adjustment range of 56 MOA. The entire 56-minute adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the elevation knob, while the ial window graphically illustrates the adjustment position within the overall range. Windage increments are also 1/4 MOA per click, the total adjustment range ±14 MOA. Offered with P1 or P3 reticles. Specifications
4–16 x 42 PM II LP
Built at the request of the U.S. military to provide a long-range capable scope with a smaller objective diameter. Includes illuminated reticle and parallax adjustment, each controlled by a separate turret. It is equipped with a special Gen 2 XL reticle with illuminated dots and cetner crosshair.
There are two elevation adjustment options: Option One is a single-turn, counter-clockwise turret with 0.1 Mil click values and 13 MRad/130cm/46.8" of adjustment. Option Two is a double-turn clockwise turret with 1/4 MOA click values and 56 MOA total adjustment, plus our color-coded window indicators which graphically illustrate the reticle's position within the overall adjustment travel. This prevents the shooter from becoming "lost" within the adjustment range. Complete illuminated reticle control is standard. Offered with P3 or P4 Fine reticles. Specifications
4–16 x 50 PM II LP
The popular 4–16 x 50 in an illuminated reticle LP model. As with all our LP series scopes, an illuminated reticle and parallax adjustment are standard, each controlled by a separate turret. Our LP system features a color-coded elevation knob that gives the shooter instant reference as to where the elevation is set. Just one turn of the knob provides 28 minutes of elevation. A window within the dial then changes to yellow, and one additional turn provides an additional 28 minutes of adjustment. The entire 56-minute adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the elevation knob. Click values are 1/4 MOA. P3 or P4 Fine reticles available. Specifications
5-25 x 56 Police Marksman II LP
True 2000-meter capability. Unlike most long-range variables that offer only a 4x magnification multiple, the 5-25 x 56 provides a full 5x and a wider field of view. Parallax adjustment in a separate turret, completely adjustable from 10 meters to infinity.
The illuminated reticle has 11 graduated settings offering precise control relative to ambient light. The scope includes Schmidt & Bender's unique color-coded "Double Turn" elevation knob that gives the shooter instant reference to where the elevation is set. The entire 100-minute adjustment range can be covered in just two turns of the knob. The user will never become "lost" within the adjustment range.
The 5–25 x 56 is offered with 56 MOA of 1/4 MOA clicks, or 273cm (93 MOA) of 1cm clicks. Your choice of P3 or P4 reticles. Specifications
comloz- Vétéran
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
pour ma part, j'ai eu les trois types de grossisement variable
je ne retiendrais que le 3-12 et 4-16
la 5-25 est enorme et lors de grandes series, je finissais toujours en x12 ou x16
le P4F, ne convient qu'a la 5-25, il est trop fin pour les deux autres
le reticule lumineux, je m'en sers en stand mili fermé 200m, ca m'aide. Sinon....
la single turn et un rails de 20moa me permettent de tirer a plus de 1000m avec un 308 et 1300m avec un 338LM. Alors la double turn...
mon actuelle est une 4-16x50, P3, LP, et ma prochaine sera la meme mais en P4, que du bonheur!!!
je ne retiendrais que le 3-12 et 4-16
la 5-25 est enorme et lors de grandes series, je finissais toujours en x12 ou x16
le P4F, ne convient qu'a la 5-25, il est trop fin pour les deux autres
le reticule lumineux, je m'en sers en stand mili fermé 200m, ca m'aide. Sinon....
la single turn et un rails de 20moa me permettent de tirer a plus de 1000m avec un 308 et 1300m avec un 338LM. Alors la double turn...
mon actuelle est une 4-16x50, P3, LP, et ma prochaine sera la meme mais en P4, que du bonheur!!!
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Cordialement,
Julien
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
En choisir une pour moi...Mon choix s'arrêterait sur la 5-25 x 56 Police Marksman II LP . J'oubliais, réticule P4.
Dernière édition par 1clickdown le Mer 7 Jan 2009 - 23:40, édité 1 fois
1clickdown- Vétéran
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
Quelle est la difference entre la single turn et la double turn?
comloz- Vétéran
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1 tour et 2 tours
T.Beckett- Expert
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T.Beckett a écrit:1 tour et 2 tours
Jusque là je me débrouille en anglais.....
En terme de click maxi, cela donne quoi?
Il me semble que la 4-16 n'existe pas en double turn et click en cm.
Ai je raison?
Merci
Dernière édition par comloz le Ven 9 Jan 2009 - 21:20, édité 1 fois
comloz- Vétéran
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
non, pas de double turn metric en 4-16, c'est pour les americains!
mais franchement, pas besoin!
Tu y trouveras tout ce que tu veux et tu pourras comparer:
http://www.schmidtundbender.de/pm-ii/index.php
mais franchement, pas besoin!
Tu y trouveras tout ce que tu veux et tu pourras comparer:
http://www.schmidtundbender.de/pm-ii/index.php
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Cordialement,
Julien
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
La S&B 5-25 x 56 risque fort bien d'être mon prochain achat cette année. Il y a quelque temps, j'hésitais entre S&B et US Optics, mais maintenant mon choix est fait...Le seul bémol est la faiblesse du dollar canadien face à l'euro...
1clickdown- Vétéran
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
Combien de click en simple tour pour la 4-16?
Merci
Merci
comloz- Vétéran
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s&b
Un peu plus de 130. 135 si j'ai bien compté.
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1clickdown a écrit:La S&B 5-25 x 56 risque fort bien d'être mon prochain achat cette année. Il y a quelque temps, j'hésitais entre S&B et US Optics, mais maintenant mon choix est fait...Le seul bémol est la faiblesse du dollar canadien face à l'euro...
Pas mal de gars aux States vont sans doute "lacher" leurs S&B pour des Premier (because made in USA), tu devrais pouvoir trouver ton bonheur dans les mois qui viennent...
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oui, c'est vrai!!
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jps2 a écrit:
Pas mal de gars aux States vont sans doute "lacher" leurs S&B pour des Premier (because made in USA), tu devrais pouvoir trouver ton bonheur dans les mois qui viennent...
Je vais surveiller ça de près...
1clickdown- Vétéran
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
A prendre en compte que le SAV sur les PMII est de 2 ans
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Ou as tu eu cette info?
je viens de leur poser la question.
je viens de leur poser la question.
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Julien
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
j'ai bien peur que Ssssskippy puisse confirmer cette info concernant la garantie suite à sa petite mésaventure avec une 5-25x56
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julien a écrit:Ou as tu eu cette info?
je viens de leur poser la question.
en direct de la part de F Brion
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ssssskippy a écrit:julien a écrit:Ou as tu eu cette info?
je viens de leur poser la question.
en direct de la part de F Brion
bonjour
j'ai une 5-25X56 P4
quel probléme avez-vous rencontré avec cette lunette?
cordialement, motard de choc
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ssssskippy a écrit:julien a écrit:Ou as tu eu cette info?
je viens de leur poser la question.
en direct de la part de F Brion
+1.
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les chasses oui! mais la PMii est garantie 2 ans
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ssssskippy a écrit:
les chasses oui! mais la PMii est garantie 2 ans
Bonsoir Ssssskippy,
Ah bon et c'est marqué Où?
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à plus de 2000euros ça devrait etre garanti à vie
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NGUYEN a écrit:ssssskippy a écrit:
les chasses oui! mais la PMii est garantie 2 ans
Bonsoir Ssssskippy,
Ah bon et c'est marqué Où?
c'est marqué dans la réponse qu a fait le com de S&B à FB
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Re: Bien choisir sa Schmidt & Bender
Une garantie de 30 ans n'existe plus .... c'est interdit par " l'europe " !!! Bien lire les conditions de garantie .... et toute l'electronique chez tous les fabricants c'est 2 ans !!!
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